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Thargor · Nov 14, 2008, 06:56 AM // 06:56

I'm currently working on the young heroes book. Does anyone know if the Kurzick reward is faction or points to the title track? If its faction then the title will be a breeze!

Amnel Ithtirsol · Nov 14, 2008, 07:01 AM // 07:01

On the book issue... Just change the fee to add pages you've already done to be in line with the gold reward you get when handing it in. That way there will be no negative impact on the economy and we can still get our rep points or faction for already completed missions. Simple solution.

Nice synergy between vanq, masters and rep. Too bad I've already maxed a lot of those titles. Would have been great a year ago! :P
Other than that I think it is an Excellent update. Thanks for all the hard work.

MirkoTeran · Nov 14, 2008, 07:08 AM // 07:08

Nice update in general. I'm not going to rant about it making titles way to easy, even if it does.
pros:
- Storybooks. Nice addition, kind of expected.
- Retroactive changes. Nice thing for old players.
cons:
- Consumables. Game is easy enough without sigege turtles...

cataphract · Nov 14, 2008, 07:44 AM // 07:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherno

I'm really sad about this update. There are some of us who have been playing loyally and thoroughly for years. These books will force me to do all the title work I already did again to be able to do anything with them and thanks for wasting even more already precious inventory slots with non-stackable
books.

As someone with 30 max titles, I fail to comprehend how exactly are the books going to force me into doing the missions all over again. Why would anyone in their right mind want to do that? And what's this "playing loyally for years" business?

Do you expect aNet to give you a stack of ecto every time you log in? /facepalm

Concerning the update itself - very good job, aNet. Good decision on not making the books retroactive. The influx of free gold would have caused a massive inflation. Although, it would be cool to see elitists QQ about noobs having money to buy leet-skins. The only problem of the update is the fact that Luxon and Kurzick faction is given at the same time. It's making people lose vast amounts of previously gained faction.
Correcting this would be nice, but I suspect it's too late. Not *that* big of a deal.

Once again - great update. Many thanks to all who worked on it.

MasterPatricko · Nov 14, 2008, 07:50 AM // 07:50

BEST UPDATE IN A LONG TIME ^.^

The only part that worries me slightly is the rebalance to Amber/Jadeite. Elite Luxon/Kurzick Armor is going to be somewhat harder to get. Oh well price of progress I suppose ...

garethporlest18 · Nov 14, 2008, 08:09 AM // 08:09

Okay first off..

For the books, you do not have to complete the bonuses to the HM missions, just the missions themselves making them leagues easier than getting Guardian. Because bonuses were the hardest part of getting that, especially in Factions. Also HELLOOOOO people who got Protector and Guardian, those were your rewards, those titles, nothing else. So you don't deserve these rewards until you re-do them like everyone else has to. Yes yes I'm sorry you wasted all your time to get a title, but that's the way it goes. So I don't see why people are whining about it.

I thank Anet for renewing at least a week more of life to their game for me, maybe not that much. Been pretty fun revisiting old missions again.

I like the Treasure Hunter+Wisdom title changes, I also like what you did with Kurzick and Luxon faction, and some of the items you added.

Overall I'm pretty satisfied with the update. As long as Anet doesn't go giving rewards to people that haven't earned it. I don't see why folks should get a title AND a fairly decent reward. I earned my Protector and I don't feel bad about doing the missions over again, I don't expect anything, the title was my reward for that. Guardian no, but HM isn't my cup of tea so I probably won't be doing the books in HM anyways, I might try it seeing as I don't have to do bonuses but I don't know.

@ Master Patricko, with the amount of faction you can earn now, you may as well trade in for Amber and Jade yourself. I mean not to mention that you can earn anywhere from 10,000-18,000 faction in 1- 1 1/2 hours vanquishing Luxon and Kurzick areas now. Sure maybe not as good as HFFF, but certainly not as boring either.

ross84 · Nov 14, 2008, 08:25 AM // 08:25

For my part the only things that strike me about this have already been stated above.

1) The loss of Faction when accounts both credited - I gained about 45k Kurzick but lost 18k Luxon.

2) Having achieved Legendary Guardian literally the other week, it would be nice to be able to trade a book in. I dont care about the gold, I am simply after the Faction.

zwei2stein · Nov 14, 2008, 08:26 AM // 08:26

Overall: Thumbs up, Linsey!

bhavv · Nov 14, 2008, 08:30 AM // 08:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by MirkoTeran

- Consumables. Game is easy enough without sigege turtles...

They are made for 4 man areas, most of which are the hardest places to vanquish.

upier · Nov 14, 2008, 08:34 AM // 08:34

Did anyone list the things that are retroactive?
Because that's kinda the only thing that is interesting atm.
I mean if I didn't find doing missions or vanquishing fun last week, I don't see what has changed to make it fun this week?

Ohh and I do approve adding reward NPCs in the places that they were needed in.
Good stuff!

Aristoteles Tortuna · Nov 14, 2008, 08:35 AM // 08:35

it´s a nice update

Test Me · Nov 14, 2008, 09:07 AM // 09:07

Awesome update.

MirkoTeran · Nov 14, 2008, 09:10 AM // 09:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhavv

They are made for 4 man areas, most of which are the hardest places to vanquish.

And god forbit there are places where you can't win with c+space while eating and watching TV while playing GW.

Abnaxus · Nov 14, 2008, 09:13 AM // 09:13

I read the notes and I have some questions.

1. I already have gwamm on my main and r12 Kurzick.
I got r12 kurzick doing 400 hours of HFFF.

How much do you think it will take now, with the new ways, to get r12?
I'm asking this for my guildmate, we did together 26 titles and now I could help him to get other 4.

If the update reduced the time to no more than 100 hours, it's good.

Otherwise, if it still takes 400 hours, then A.net has simply changed the type of grind, maybe making the title less boring but nothing more.

The best way, as I always said and say, would have been to make the title character base and achievable in 25-30 hours as all other titles.

2. I don't care about the gold rewards for the books.
But with my other characters, I have completed Nightfall, so I would like to have books filled and turn them in SS or LB points, reducing the grind for those characters.
I don't want the money, I would instead pay to fill the books, I want the faction.

The update seems interesting and probably goes to the right direction.

EmptySkull · Nov 14, 2008, 09:16 AM // 09:16

Great update A-net, Linsey and whomever supported you. I know it took a lot of time and thought(balancing what to do where). So thank you for the work for something that I paid for a long time ago.

I'm sure there will be things/bugs to work out with it being live now. So here's *drink/toast* to you folks getting everything fine tuned soon, and getting a well deserved vacation for your efforts.

Dropper · Nov 14, 2008, 09:24 AM // 09:24

It is appalling to see so many people whining about a nice, FREE update. I like it very much, thank you to everyone who worked on this update!

Red Sonya · Nov 14, 2008, 09:30 AM // 09:30

Where's the skill nerfs? Why is Shadowform not nerfed? Who gives a rats petunia about books and title grind? Childs play stuff. Bring on the fixes to pvp and shutdown Shadowform anyways for PVE.

This has to rank in the most useless update in the history of GW's. PVE is not fun without phatt loot. Sorry, but, stupid silly titles just don't do it for me and the thousands of others that have already exited the PVE game. Bring in some +20>50 mods for specific weapons and you'll see some new activity like you've never seen before. Add +5 to armor class of specific armors and the same applies. Add +5hp to something that has +30hp already. It can be for PVE only fine, just do it.

Darth Durgason · Nov 14, 2008, 09:40 AM // 09:40

Somethimes i don't understand people.
You now get rewarded to play the game. To me thats a good thing. Title hunters can now play the game/help other people to reach there goal, diffrently then simply farm alone (or in small groups) to get that wanted faction/reputation.

There is less need to farm for money (=less grinding) cause you get more money in general.

Because titles can be reached easier its now worth playing those other characters too.

Doing missions pay off again, hopefully it means people play together more again, though my hopes on that are not to high.

Some pvp arena's are revamped and hopefully brought back alive

Titles never showed skill anyway. Dedication yes. Those who want that e-peen, get some high rank in a reap pvp title. PVE titles was only a matter of time anyway before everyone who sticked into the game got them.

Survivor title finally is a bit less broken. I did one survivor the hard way (just by playing the game) and the easy way: hfff. One i was really proud i did it, the other one felt like: is this really it??? There is still brawling - but even with brawling there is a small chance you will not make it

Nobody, absolutly nobody forces you to use consumbables. Complaining about htem, and that they take space is kinda dumb. Don't use them and you got space. Or use em directly so they are gone.

Wisdom/treasure going account wide is awesome. It sure will stop my own discrimination vs non-title characters to not use lockpicks/keys.

In general what they did was: easier to get titles, with more ways, wich means less grinding. That what it was all about?

It wasn't perfect with the faction handed out directly, causing some losses. But better some losses, then no gain at all?

The books aren't retro-active, and thats not to bad. Granted those (like me) who would have finished them on several toons miss a LOT of money/faction. But thats not why we finished those missions back then in the first place.

People should really stop thinking about what they should have gotten if, but be glad with what they really got. And imo thats still a (huge) LOT.

Only argument i can agree with is that once you got all those titles, what will you do next? Titles kept me busy quite a while, and now that they get easier, they will keep me less busy in the future. Doing elite area's get boring after a while. It will mean to me i will have more time to help other people out, perhaps even start pvp'ing.

I say great work to the programmers/analysts ect. Good work on opening the game for everyone. You can't please everyone but i'm convinced the majority gained with this update. Congrats.

t00115577 · Nov 14, 2008, 09:41 AM // 09:41

Loos good so far. I like the free faction, gogo AN

Only thing im worried about is...

Are there going to be insanely long waits now to get into an AB? hope there can now be more games going on at once.

Cant wait to see how high my caps go and how much faction i get

Overall GG AN

Kashrlyyk · Nov 14, 2008, 09:44 AM // 09:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garreth MacLeod

I kind of agree with that. I've not analyzed any of the numbers but at a glance it looks like it's going to take longer to reach the max title now. So now we have even more grind? Oh joy. I was so excited about this update I logged off an hour and a half earlier than normal, even though I'm on vacation tomorrow and could have played later than I usually do.

Maybe you should have, because 50*400 = 20000, not 2000.